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The rule can be : ball always visible from the 2 edges / posts of the net. This removes the problem of interpretation right / left handed. And at WTT you put a camera with AI, or VAR.

Good point. ITTA needs to take action.

Thank you for addressing this. Officiating for serves has been pretty inconsistent. The players have just been used to hiding the ball and seeing it as normal

Thank you for sharing this video. Many fans have been reaching out to ITTF to resolve this issue.

I've never seen Eastern players and coaches cry over illegal serves.

I only play once in awhile and ive always had this exacr question: why the f do pros serve illegally? Lol.

Adding ball detection devices on both end of the net toward both ends of table to ensure the ball has to be un obstructed from anywhere on the center line at the level of the playing surface....something like this could at least impose some universal standard that can be quantified

Thanks for the video, I think there needs to be actions taken by the ITTF and related parties to make it a fair game. some of the services in world level tournaments are just absurd...

The second exercise also known as "Skater slide". Thanks for sharing these useful tips, much appreciated. Would be also great to know what kind of stretch exercises you are doing before and after trainings. Cheers

Such a pleasure to listen 😊 keep going

Can the players challenge?

We want more videos with your wife!

I've been out of table tennis for a few years, just getting back into watching some pro matches in the lead up to Paris Olympics and the first thing I see in these matches is a proliferation of illegal serves that I didn't see a few years ago when the rules were strictly enforced. Then I come across your video and so I am not the only one that is noticing. Should the rules be enforced or we go back to the days of anything goes on the serve. It's like the doping debate, if everyone is on drugs then it is a level playing field, if only some are on drugs then it is not. So legal serve players see illegal serves not being called by umpires and so they level the playing field by going illegal as well. Why have rules if they are not enforced?

You’re right about the refs having to take charge. Otherwise the players will have to do the illegal serves because it’s too big an edge to give an opponent. Also if the ref does nothing, it becomes de facto legal. A similar issue exists in other racquet sports, such as clearing in squash where players will illegally obstruct the other if the ref allows it, and the same situation occurs where one player gets too big an advantage if the other doesn’t play similarly, and the result is it ruins the game because the ref didn’t do his job.

Illegal serves needs to be stopped.

So much of this is down to umpires' interpretation. Your hand position at 0.58 might be regarded as OK by many umpires and illegal by others.

很棒，很坦诚

Augmented reality can help solve the issue of illegal serves.

Ce n’est plus ping-pong 🏓 c’est devenu twister - pong 🌪

Maybe throw the ball a bit higher

Yes, the rules as written are incoherent. To expand upon Andres’ solutions, I see two paths forward: allow hidden serves (I mean, they were legal for decades, so why not?); or simply ban the pendulum serve, since it’s the pendulum serve that’s the root cause of 99% of illegal serves. These are more simple and elegant solutions than introducing AR, VR, digital umpires, etc…

But maybe only for one point. Opponent wont let you win another

The rule change stating the ball must be visible throughout the service action was good, but not complete. It should have stated the ball AND BAT should be visible. This would be easier to enforce.

Просто нужно добавить ещё одно правило в настольный теннис - при подаче тело подающего игрока должно быть параллельно столу, лицом к столу... Запретить поворачивать тело к столу боком или спиной при подаче...

The rule is fine. You need to serve so that the ball is visible regardless of whether the opponent is left or right handed. That's on you. They don't need to create special "left/right handed opponent" rules.

Great video, thanks dude. I hope community will start to fight against illegal serves, maybe copmuter vision would help

The thing is that theres a balance between following the rules and excitement for the audience watching the sport. - First you want to make the match more fluid, not to many stop and go situations. So you have to ignore certain rules from time to time - Second, a lot of rules makes the game boring by being to pragmatic in order to cover all bases. Again going back to the bottom line which is the audience, they need to be entertained because they pay for all this. This is especially true at the top level, where they break the rules the most without consequences This stuff is not only in Table tennis, its everywhere, its extremely prevalent in the NBA

5:57 if yall didnt know, hes a huge fan of blink-182 and you can see getting excited saying that line

W hich player do you think C onsistently has the most Q uestionable serves?

Incredible control 🏓

Hi Anders- I have not read all the comments, but it seems to me that the only real practical and most easily enforcible solution would be a rule change stating that the ball must be tossed vertically,and/or making the variation much less (say 5 to 10 degrees off vertical). Perhaps one of the difficulties for the ittf Is the fact that many players have spent years developing their serves (which may be illegal), and because these illegal serves have been largely overlooked by the umpires, these off vertical and partially hidden serves have become ingrained as a normal part of the modern game and used (intentionally or unintentionally) by most players. Even a lot of service coaching videos are featuring off vertical ball tosses. My solution would be; -change the service toss rules (vertical would be most unambiguous) - educate the players,coaches and umpires -indicate a rule change far in advance (even years) so that players can adapt . -focus particularly on change with the young players ,so that the vertical serve is normal and automatic for them Thank you for your great vids-keep up the good work! Mike-Waiheke Island,New Zealand

I think they should start installing tiny camera in the middle of the table under the net. so we can clearly see if the ball is hidden during service. anyone?

Illegal serve made TT way less attractive to watch. It's losing spectators. Why don't TT society never take a look at other racket sports. This kind of stupid thing never happen to tennis bedminton padel etc. Most empires are so amature and just shit. Illegal serve should be like if you suspect then it's illegal, not like to you only suspect and let it go. That's totally crap. If they cannot do this, they should invite Samsonov to help to change to a more standard rule and also some post match evulation even a committee able to disqualify a play due to illegal serve even if he/she already win the match.

I'm glad I saw this video. I used to play a lot 15+ years ago, including some competitive play. Nowadays I don't really play myself, but I often watch clips, highlights or matches of tabletennis on UA-cam. It has often been the case that I think to myself "Hmm, I guess the rules for the serve have changed, because back when I played, you had to throw the ball directly up". I guess I never took the time to do much research to find out if something had changed, but this video now clears that up for me. Thank you for taking the time to explain this in a brief and clear manner and standing for the integrity of the game.

I don't have experience with table tennis beyond Pongfinity. Is this something like travelling/carrying in basketball? Where everybody does it, nobody wants it called, and so it doesn't get called while purists complain the background? Or is it like sticky substances in baseball, where the sport really does want to get rid of it, even if most players do it and accept it?

It's incredible...I got goosebumps when I saw it🫨

he must’ve realized his opponent had difficulty with the side spin because he could’ve easily generated more power with a decent forehand loop.

very nice lad keep it up👍

An umpire saying he/she/they/it is/are afraid to disturb play is ridiculous. It's their job to maintain the rules. Disturbing bad play is the literal job description. They/she/he/it may as well just be a spectator.

Nice video, however I think you misinterpret the rule about the ball has to be visible to the opponent when touchin the pad when serving. The rule is very clear and it MUST be followed by the server and that means that he must adapt his serving position so that the receiving player CAN see the ball regardless of his position and what hand he is using. Personally that position with your back at the table is totally wrong because it has been "invented" with the very purpose to hide the ball. I am an amateur player but I naver serve with my back towards the table.

Today the new generation of non-professional players looks at these shots and thinks about how damn good and unique players like you are, Anders, without however knowing other great side spin masters of the past like Patrick Chila, a true artist. Every shot, forehand or backhand had a spectacular curve!! I personally guarantee!! I remember that he delayed the shot until a moment before the impossible, and with his grip very low on the handle, using his wrist, he gave devastating effects to the ball.

Those aren't just sick back hands at the end,, THIS IS 1000 IQ level

the problem with ping pong is the ball, all serves should be legal but only with two tone balls. would solve everything. and go back to the old ball size and scoring. modern pong is not as good. the serving shuold be as tricky as players can make it. great for the game. i agree with the two color paddles even though i'm a big seemiller fan.

Hate that 30 degree rule. The ball should be struck within a 150mm radius of where it was launched

The main issue is that the judges aren't doing anything (or not doing much) about it

toss not 6 inches

ilegal serve

I agree that many serves seem ileagal.

I disagree about making the same serve illeagal or ileagal for left or right handed receivers. The end result is important. Making the receiver able to see the ball. I personally believe the umpire and receiver needs to be able to see the ball at point of contact especially.

30° is way too much (especially considering that the ball slows down vertically but its side speed does not change much), The rule should be redefined to something like: ball should be tossed up at least 30cm (notice that I increased this number too) and cannot fall down more than 10cm from where it was tossed." This would eliminate the egregiously big side-throws that are then hidden behind the body. Also, I agree with you that the umpires should take the point for this more often. The "hidden from opponent's view" part - yeah, that is sketchy because it depends on where the opponent stands. More clear would be "hidden from view from the center of opponent's end line". It's up to the receiving player where they stand. The problem is, how would you check this quickly, when the umpire views it from the side, not from the back of the table. The process could be that the receiving player can challenge it and then they could check it on camera. Sure, this would create many delays during the first year, but then the players would learn to serve according to the rules and only occasional dispute would arise. The other possibility would be to change the rule that the serving player cannot be closer to his end line than the ball being served (i.e. no part of that player can be "offside", regardless of it impeding the vision of the ball or not. Again, the players would adapt quickly. They are only doing these weird serves now because they are not penalized, their "normal" serves would be just as good (minus the extra unfair advantage).